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There is Jigs at the bottom of the outhouse, probably six feet down at the bottom of the outhouse pit. I mean, I see the dirt. PETER LANDGREN: Look at that. Like for example, my plants were all in environment-controlled rooms, which is not a minor detail. ALVIN UBELL: They would have to have some ROBERT: Maybe there's some kind of signal? ROBERT: So the beetles don't want to eat them. My reaction was, "Oh ****!" So she takes the plants, she puts them into the parachute drop, she drops them. And the idea was, she wanted to know like, once the radioactive particles were in the tree, what happens next? It was a simple little experiment. So then at one point, when you only play the bell for the dog, or you, you know, play the fan for the plant, we know now for the dogs, the dog is expecting. So you are related and you're both in the plumbing business? So if all a tree could do was split air to get carbon, you'd have a tree the size of a tulip. You know, they talk about how honeybee colonies are sort of superorganisms, because each individual bee is sort of acting like it's a cell in a larger body. by Radiolab Follow. More information about Sloan at www.sloan.org]. And again. And so we are under the impression or I would say the conviction that the brain is the center of the universe, and -- and if you have a brain and a nervous system you are good and you can do amazing stuff. [ASHLEY: Hi. I think there are some cases where romanticizing something could possibly lead you to some interesting results. So I don't have a problem. Don't interrupt. You know, it goes back to anthropomorphizing plant behaviors. Like, they don't have ears or a brain or anything like, they couldn't hear like we hear. And a little wind. And then I needed to -- the difficulty I guess, of the experiment was to find something that will be quite irrelevant and really meant nothing to the plant to start with. ROBERT: Little white threads attached to the roots. April 8, 2018 By thelandconnection. If you look at a root under a microscope, what you see is all these thousands of feelers like hairs on your head looking for water. ROBERT: He's got lots of questions about her research methods, but really his major complaint is -- is her language. Why is this network even there? So they might remember even for a much longer time than 28 days. Listen to Radiolab: Smarty Plants, an episode of Wilderness Radio, easily on Podbay - the best podcast player on the web. Pics! ROBERT: Okay. JENNIFER FRAZER: They're called springtails, because a lot of them have a little organ on the back that they actually can kind of like deploy and suddenly -- boing! I mean, Jigs was part of the family. So they might remember even for a much longer time than 28 days. They're father and son. JENNIFER FRAZER: The whole thing immediately closes up and makes it look like, "Oh, there's no plant here. JENNIFER FRAZER: It's definitely crazy. She's done three experiments, and I think if I tell you about what she has done, you -- even you -- will be provoked into thinking that plants can do stuff you didn't imagine, dream they could do. Into which she put these sensitive plants. And you don't see it anywhere. So -- so carbon will move from that dying tree. Good. So light is -- if you shine light on a plant you're, like, feeding it? You got the plant to associate the fan with food. Douglas fir, birch and cedar. But we are in the home inspection business. Unfortunately, right at that point Suzanne basically ran off to another meeting. They can't take up CO2. ROBERT: That's a -- learning is something I didn't think plants could do. ROBERT: What kind of minerals does a tree need? Well, okay. But it was originally done with -- with a dog. /locations/california/culver-city/5399-sepulveda-blvd-bank-atm/ The problem is is with plants. Wait a second. And then all the other ones go in the same direction. No, I -- we kept switching rooms because we weren't sure whether you want it to be in the high light or weak light or some light or no light. And then Monica would Just about, you know, seven or eight inches. I'm gonna just go there. ROBERT: After three days of this training regime, it is now time to test the plants with just the fan, no light. And lignin is full of nitrogen, but also compounds like nitrogen is important in DNA, right? And every day that goes by, I have less of an issue from the day before. Plants are really underrated. ROBERT: This happens to a lot of people. LARRY UBELL: No, I don't because she may come up against it, people who think that intelligence is unique to humans. Because if I let you go it's gonna be another 20 minutes until I get to talk. And the classic case of this is if you go back a few centuries ago, someone noticed that plants have sex. Ring, meat, eat. ALVIN UBELL: In a tangling of spaghetti-like, almost a -- and each one of those lines of spaghetti is squeezing a little bit. ROBERT: So the deer's like, "Oh, well. ROBERT: But what -- how would a plant hear something? You got the plant to associate the fan with food. Now, can you -- can you imagine what we did wrong? SUZANNE SIMARD: There's an enemy in the midst. I was like, "Oh, my God! JENNFER FRAZER: Well, they do it because the tree has something the fungus needs, and the fungus has something the tree needs. ROBERT: It won't be a metaphor in just a moment. No boink anymore. ROBERT: And that's where the fungus comes in. So he brought them some meat. And, you know, my job was to track how these new plantations would grow. Do you really need a brain to sense the world around you? JENNIFER FRAZER: Well, 25 percent of it ended up in the tree. Support Radiolab today at Radiolab.org/donate. Is that what -- is that what this? A forest can feel like a place of great stillness and quiet. ROBERT: I don't think Monica knows the answer to that, but she does believe that, you know, that we humans MONICA GAGLIANO: We are a little obsessed with the brain. ROBERT: And she goes into that darkened room with all the pea plants. I mean, to say that a plant is choosing a direction, I don't know. And then I needed to -- the difficulty I guess, of the experiment was to find something that will be quite irrelevant and really meant nothing to the plant to start with. And so I don't have a problem with that. That there was a kind of a moral objection to thinking it this way. Big thanks to Aatish Bhatia, to Sharon De La Cruz and to Peter Landgren at Princeton University's Council on Science and Technology. MONICA GAGLIANO: Yeah, tested it in my lab. It's condensation. JENNIFER FRAZER: Yeah. ROBERT: And he pokes it at this little springtail, and the springtail goes boing! ROBERT: Yes, because she knew that scientists had proposed years before, that maybe there's an underground economy that exists among trees that we can't see. ROBERT: I know -- I know you -- I know you don't. Yeah. Yeah. MONICA GAGLIANO: Exactly, which is pretty amazing. It's yours." And look, and beyond that there are forests, there are trees that the scientists have found where up to 75 percent of the nitrogen in the tree turns out to be fish food. Then of course because it's the BBC, they take a picture of it. ALVIN UBELL: Testing one, two. ROBERT: Absolutely not. So you -- if you would take away the fish, the trees would be, like, blitzed. JENNIFER FRAZER: Anyone who's ever had a plant in a window knows that. You do. They have to -- have to edit in this together. ROBERT: Monica says what she does do is move around the world with a general feeling of ROBERT: What if? ROBERT: But that scientist I mentioned MONICA GAGLIANO: My name is Monica Gagliano. Pretty much like the concept of Pavlov with his dog applied. Tubes. So what does the tree do? It's okay, puppy. ROBERT: Is your dog objecting to my analysis? I know -- I know you -- I know you don't. ALVIN UBELL: And I've been in the construction industry ever since I'm about 16 years old. A little while back, I had a rather boisterous conversation with these two guys. LINCOLN TAIZ: Yes. And when I came on the scene in 19 -- the 1980s as a forester, we were into industrial, large-scale clear-cutting in western Canada. There's this whole other world right beneath my feet. ROBERT: So what they're saying is even if she's totally sealed the pipe so there's no leak at all, the difference in temperature will create some condensation on the outside. LARRY UBELL: You got somewhere to go? LATIF: It's like a bank? JAD: The plants have to keep pulling their leaves up and they just get tired. SUZANNE SIMARD: They start producing chemicals that taste really bad. In my brain. Nothing happened at all. Maybe each root is -- is like a little ear for the plant. So we went back to Monica. But once again I kind of wondered if -- since the plant doesn't have a brain or even neurons to connect the idea of light and wind or whatever, where would they put that information? Kind of even like, could there be a brain, or could there be ears or, you know, just sort of like going off the deep end there. I'm a research associate professor at the University of Sydney. But it didn't happen. Fan, light, lean. It's time -- time for us to go and lie down on the soft forest floor. It's the equivalent of a human being jumping over the Eiffel Tower. ALVIN UBELL: The tree will wrap its roots around that pipe. So we went back to Monica. Did Jigs emerge? The show is known for innovative sound design, smashing information int They shade each other. So after the first few, the plants already realized that that was not necessary. Again, if you imagine that the pot, my experimental pot. Super interesting how alive our plants really are! Like, they don't have ears or a brain or anything like, they couldn't hear like we hear. Exactly. Apparently, bears park themselves in places and grab fish out of the water, and then, you know, take a bite and then throw the carcass down on the ground. Of the tree's sugar goes down to the mushroom team? ROBERT: So we figured look, if it's this easy and this matter of fact, we should be able to do this ourselves and see it for ourselves. Annie McEwen, Stephanie Tam, our intern, we decided all to go to check it out for ourselves, this thing I'm not telling you about. Jennifer told Latif and I about another role that these fungi play. Along with a home-inspection duo, a science writer, and some enterprising scientists at Princeton University, we turn our brain-centered worldview on its head through a series of clever experiments that show plants doing things we never would've imagined. ROBERT: He's got lots of questions about her research methods, but really his major complaint is -- is her language. Join free & follow Radiolab. ROBERT: So we figured look, if it's this easy and this matter of fact, we should be able to do this ourselves and see it for ourselves. MONICA GAGLIANO: It's a very biased view that humans have in particular towards others. ROBERT: And she says she began to notice things that, you know, one wouldn't really expect. ], [JENNIFER FRAZER: Our fact-checkers are Eva Dasher and Michelle Harris. So he brought them some meat. And then they came back And they found that most of the springtails were dead. Ring, meat, eat. I am the blogger of The Artful Amoeba at Scientific American. Enough of that! Or even learn? But white, translucent and hairy, sort of. More information about Sloan at www.sloan.org]. Can you make your own food? LARRY UBELL: That -- that's -- that's interesting. OUR PODCASTSSUPPORT US Smarty Plants LISTEN Download February 13, 2018 ( Robert Krulwich Oh, well that's a miracle. JENNIFER FRAZER: Right? Coming up on the Plant Parade, we get to the heart -- or better yet, the root -- of a very specific type of plant. Seasonally. And then someone has to count. Pics! I go out and I thought there's no one here on Sunday afternoon. Picasso! So we figured look, if it's this easy and this matter of fact, we should be able to do this ourselves and see it for ourselves. Hey, it's okay. But the drop was just shocking and sudden enough for the little plant to Then Monica hoists the plant back up again and drops it again. 2018. So we're up to experiment two now, are we not? And every day that goes by, I have less of an issue from the day before. Yeah. We ask deep questions and use investigative journalism to get the answers. MONICA GAGLIANO: Again, if you imagine that the pot, my experimental pot. They run out of energy. Because if I let you go it's gonna be another 20 minutes until I get to talk. So what they're saying is even if she's totally sealed the pipe so there's no leak at all, the difference in temperature will create some condensation on the outside. So you're like a metaphor cop with a melty heart. And this is what makes it even more gruesome. Me first. And does it change my place in the world? ALVIN UBELL: The tree will wrap its roots around that pipe. Or maybe slower? Or SUZANNE SIMARD: No. This episode was produced by Annie McEwen. I gotta say, doing this story, this is the part that knocked me silly. Just a boring set of twigs. ], [JENNIFER FRAZER: This is Jennifer Frazer, and I'm a freelance science writer and blogger of The Artful Amoeba at Scientific American. I know. Now, can you -- can you imagine what we did wrong? Maybe not with the helmet, but yeah. ROBERT: What do mean, the fungi will give me my sugar back? ROBERT: So the roots can go either left or to the right. Nothing delicious at all. And of course we had to get Jigs out. On one side, instead of the pipe with water, she attaches an MP3 player with a little speaker playing a recording of And then on the other side, Monica has another MP3 player with a speaker. ROBERT: And we dropped it once and twice. They sort of put them all together in a dish, and then they walked away. JAD: It was curling each time when it ROBERT: Every time. She says what will happen under the ground is that the fungal tubes will stretch up toward the tree roots, and then they'll tell the tree With their chemical language. She's not gonna use hot water because you don't want to cook your plants, you know? Landing very comfortably onto a padded base made of foam. ROBERT: Begins with a woman. ROBERT: And right in the middle of the yard is a tree. ROBERT: And on this particular day, she's with the whole family. And so I don't have a problem with that. Radiolab is supported in part by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. There's not a leak in the glass. Annie McWen or McEwen ], Latif Nasser, Malissa O'Donnell, Arianne Wack ], With help from Amanda Aronczyk, Shima Oliaee ], Niles Hughes, Jake Arlow, Nigar Fatali ], And lastly, a friendly reminder. We dropped. It's a very interesting experiment, and I really want to see whether it's correct or not. Like, two percent or 0.00000001 percent? And the plant still went to the place where the pipe was not even in the dirt? JENNIFER FRAZER: With when they actually saw and smelled and ate meat. Like, as in the fish. ], [JENNIFER FRAZER: Dylan Keefe is our Director of Sound Design. So she takes the plants, she puts them into the parachute drop, she drops them. It's a costly process for this plant, but ROBERT: She figured out they weren't tired. Maybe each root is -- is like a little ear for the plant. Five, four, three, two, one, drop! These guys are actually doing it." And then all of a sudden, she says she looks down into the ground and she notices all around them where the soil has been cleared away there are roots upon roots upon roots in this thick, crazy tangle. They're called springtails, because a lot of them have a little organ on the back that they actually can kind of like deploy and suddenly -- boing! This is Ashley Harding from St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada. ROBERT: So you just did what Pavlov did to a plant. Episodes. So they can't move. So she's saying they remembered for almost a month? It's doing like a triple double axel backflip or something into the sky. I don't know if that was the case for your plants. So the roots can go either left or to the right. So you can get -- anybody can get one of these plants, and we did. But what I do know is that the fact that the plant doesn't have a brain doesn't -- doesn't a priori say that the plants can't do something. And the tree happens to be a weeping willow. But this one plays ROBERT: So she's got her plants in the pot, and we're going to now wait to see what happens. It's almost as if these plants -- it's almost as if they know where our pipes are. ROBERT: That's a -- learning is something I didn't think plants could do. Hobbled, really. And it begins to look a lot like an airline flight map, but even more dense. ROBERT: And the salivation equivalent was the tilt of the plant? She determined that you can pick a little computer fan and blow it on a pea plant for pretty much ever and the pea plant would be utterly indifferent to the whole thing. And so we're up there in this -- in this old forest with this guy. You have to understand that the cold water pipe causes even a small amount of water to condense on the pipe itself. But after five days, she found that 80% of the time, the plants went -- or maybe chose -- to head toward the dry pipe that has water in it. But it didn't happen. ", So the deer's like, "Oh, well. And I need a bird, a lot of birds, actually. Where would the -- a little plant even store a memory? Yeah. Like, I say, it's early in the season. More information about Sloan at www.sloan.org]. What is the tree giving back to the fungus? Along with a home-inspection duo, a science writer, and some enterprising scientists at Princeton University, wedig into the work of evolutionaryecologist Monica Gagliano, who turns ourbrain-centered worldview on its head through a series of clever experiments that show plants doing things we never would've imagined. Let him talk. JAD: The plants have to keep pulling their leaves up and they just get tired. And therefore she might, in the end, see something that no one else would see. JENNIFER FRAZER: Into which she put these sensitive plants. The fact that humans do it in a particular way, it doesn't mean that everyone needs to do it in that way to be able to do it in the first place. Or maybe slower? JENNIFER FRAZER: And the fungus actually builds a tunnel inside the rock. I mean, I -- it's a kind of Romanticism, I think. The next one goes, "Uh-oh." That's a parade I'll show up for. -- they spring way up high in the air. To play the message, press two. And I remember it was Sunday, because I started screaming in my lab. Me first. So they figured out who paid for the murder. It's a family business. Once you understand that the trees are all connected to each other, they're all signaling each other, sending food and resources to each other, it has the feel, the flavor, of something very similar. Thud. LATIF: Yeah. But let me just -- let me give it a try. ROBERT: And I met a plant biologist who's gonna lead that parade. Why waste hot water? We dropped. It's kind of like a cold glass sitting on your desk, and there's always a puddle at the bottom. Let us say you have a yard in front of your house. I can scream my head off if I want to. And I remember it was Sunday, because I started screaming in my lab. Do you really need a brain to sense the world around you? ROBERT: Fan, light, lean. ], [JENNIFER FRAZER: Soren Wheeler is Senior Editor. Every one of them. What is it? And then when times are hard, that fungi will give me my sugar back and I can start growing again. And with these two stimuli, she put the plants, the little pea plants through a kind of training regime. You need the nutrients that are in the soil. ROBERT: She says one of the weirdest parts of this though, is when sick trees give up their food, the food doesn't usually go to their kids or even to trees of the same species. Now the plants if they were truly dumb they'd go 50/50. Like, why would the trees need a freeway system underneath the ground to connect? Little fan goes on, the light goes on. Peering down at the plants under the red glow of her headlamp. They learned something. And she says this time they relaxed almost immediately. Today, Robert drags Jad along ona parade for the surprising feats of brainless plants. And when you look at the map, what you see are circles sprouting lines and then connecting to other circles also sprouting lines. They're called feeder roots. SUZANNE SIMARD: We're sitting on the exposed root system, which is like -- it is like a mat. He's looking up at us quite scared and very unhappy that he was covered in And toilet paper. You need the nutrients that are in the soil. Could a plant learn to associate something totally random like a bell with something it wanted, like food? So maybe the root hairs, which are always found right at the growing tips of plant roots, maybe plant roots are like little ears. And she goes into that darkened room with all the pea plants. They can go north, south, east, west, whatever. One of the roots just happens to bump into a water pipe and says -- sends a signal to all the others, "Come over here. 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